Things about the LDS church that I can no longer believe. 1/23/18
So this list is not exclusive by any means. But here are 23
things that either happened within the church, were taught by the church, or
found within the church that have solidified my mind that the LDS church is in
no way the lords church on the earth. The list originally came from 40 Years a
Mormon, from there I gave some more context and sources.
- That
God would send an angel with a drawn sword to threaten a 37 yr old man
(Joseph Smith) to threaten a 14 yr old girl (Zina Diantha Huntington
Jacobs) with his death if she didn't marry him, and promise heaven to her
whole family if she did.
- Zina
later wrote, that within months of her marriage to Henry, “[Joseph] sent
word to me by my brother, saying, ‘Tell Zina, I put it off and put it off
till an angel with a drawn sword stood by me and told me if I did not
establish that principle upon the earth I would lose my position and my
life’”. Joseph further explained that, “the Lord had made it known to him
she was to be his celestial wife.”
Zina chose to obey this commandment and married Joseph on October 27. At the time of her marriage to Smith, she was about seven months pregnant with a child, Zebulon William Jacobs. (No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith , F. Brodie 1971, p. 465.) and (https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Did_Joseph_Smith_coerce_women_to_marry_him) - “When
God commands a difficult task, He sometimes sends additional messengers
to encourage His people to obey. Consistent with this pattern, Joseph
told associates that an angel appeared to him three times between 1834
and 1842 and commanded him to proceed with plural marriage when he hesitated
to move forward. During the third and final appearance, the angel came
with a drawn sword, threatening Joseph with destruction unless he went
forward and obeyed the commandment fully.” https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng&_r=1
- “An
angel with a flaming sword descended from the courts of glory and,
confronting the prophet, commanded him in the name of the Lord to
establish the principle so long concealed from the knowledge of the
Saints and of the world. That principle was the law of celestial or
plural marriage!” The life of Heber C. Kimball https://archive.org/stream/lifeofheberckimb00whitrich#page/331/mode/1up/search/sword
- That
God would have his prophet (Joseph Smith) send a widower (John Walker)
away from his children, and then marry his now foster daughter (Lucy Walker)
and give her only 24 hours of intense pressure to decide if she wants to
reject "heaven's blessings"
- Sources-
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htm,
http://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/lucy-walker/,
http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2012/02/lucy-walker-remembering-the-forgotten-women-of-joseph-smith/,
- That
God would have his prophet (Joseph Smith) marry 11 women already married
to other men.
- “Following
his marriage to Louisa Beaman and before he married other single women,
Joseph Smith was sealed to a number of women who were already married.” https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SP6X-Q65
- That
God would have his prophet (Joseph Smith) lie his entire life about being
married to 34 women.
- “Inasmuch
as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of
fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man
should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of
death, when either is at liberty to marry again.” http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835?dm=image-and-text&zm=zoom-inner&tm=expanded&p=259&s=undefined&sm=none
- That
God would have his prophet (Joseph Smith) marry 34 women and not tell his
wife about most of them.
- “Emma
approved, at least for a time, of four of Joseph Smith’s plural marriages
in Nauvoo, and she accepted all four of those wives into her household.
She may have approved of other marriages as well. But Emma likely did not
know about all of Joseph’s sealings.” https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng
- That
God would have his gospel written in a book (Book of Mormon) that through
rationally looking at the evidence makes the book look clearly like a
fraud.
- No
DNA evidence- https://www.genome.gov/10001772/all-about-the--human-genome-project-hgp/,
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929711005490,
- Anachrinism-
We have solid scientific evidence that horses,
domesticated or wild, were not found prior to the Spanish conquests.
Again, evidence is found for swine as
well stating that there were no native species found in the Americas, and
were not found until European explorers came to this area. The story is
the same for sheep,
nothing prior to Columbus.
- Archology-
"The great and last battle, in which several hundred thousand
Nephites perished was on the hill Cumorah, the same hill from which the
plates were taken by Joseph Smith, the boy about whom I spoke to you the
other evening." (Orson
Pratt, Journal of Discourses, February 11, 1872, vol. 14, p. 331)
“If any place merits archaeological attention, it is Cumorah. The very word elicits a series of empirical questions that can only be addressed through archaeology. […] When we pay attention to time and to cultural context, it becomes clear that the events described in the Book of Mormon did not occur in New York. […] In accord with these general observations about New York and Pennsylvania, we come to our principal object— the Hill Cumorah. Archaeologically speaking, it is a clean hill. No artifacts, no walls, no trenches, no arrowheads. The area immediately surrounding the hill is similarly clean. Pre- Columbian people did not settle or build here. This is not the place of Mormon’s last stand. We must look elsewhere for that hill.” (John E. Clark, Archaeology and Cumorah Questions, Journal of Mormon Studies, 2004. http://publications.mi.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1412&index=15) - That
God would have his prophet claim to translate Kinderhook plates and have
it discovered a fraud.
- That
God would have his prophet claim to translate papyri into the Book of
Abraham to have it proven totally incorrect.
- “None
of the characters on the papyrus fragments mentioned Abraham’s name or
any of the events recorded in the book of Abraham. Mormon and non-Mormon
Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the
translation given in the book of Abraham, though there is not unanimity,
even among non-Mormon scholars, about the proper interpretation of the
vignettes on these fragments. Scholars have identified the papyrus
fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with
mummified bodies. These fragments date to between the third century
B.C.E. and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived.” https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng
- That
God would allow his prophets to teach racism and white supremacy as part
of his gospel for 130 years.
- “Shall
I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man
belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the
penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be
so.” (Brigham
Young, Journal of Discourses, vol.10, p.110)
- “The
attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always
stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct
commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church
from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become
members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at
the present time… The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be
understood when another doctrine of the church is kept in mind, namely,
that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence has some
determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which
these spirits take on mortality.” (George Albert Smith, statement by the
First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on
the Negro Question, August 17, 1949)
- “The
seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro is not something
which originated with man; but goes back into the beginning with God…
Revelation assures us that this plan antedates man's mortal existence,
extending back to man's preexistent state. (Pres. David O. McKay, Hugh B.
Brown, N. Eldon Tanner. Letter of the First Presidency Clarifies Church’s
Position on the Negro – Dec. 15, 1969. Printed in The Improvement
Era, Feb. 1970, p.70-71)
- That
God would have his prophet teach blood-atonement as official true doctrine
only to have later prophets declare it as false doctrine.
- “Joseph
Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may
commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the
atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of
Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent.
Therefore their only hope is to have their blood shed to atone, as far as
possible, in their behalf. This is scriptural doctrine, and is taught in
all the standard works of the Church.” (President Joseph Fielding
Smith, Doctrines
of Salvation, 1954, vol. 1, pp. 135-136)
- “These are my views, and the Lord knows that I
believe in the principles of sanctification; and when I am guilty of
seducing any man's wife, or any woman in God's world, I say, sever my
head from my body.” (Heber
C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol.7, p.20)
- That
God would have his prophet teach Adam-God as official true doctrine only
to have later prophets declare it as false doctrine.
- “Brigham
Young's speculations on Adam-God continued to be the center of no small
controversy among church members.” https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V13N02_9.pdf
- That
secret handshakes are required to get into heaven.
- Temple
- That
secret code words are required to get into heaven.
- Temple
- That a
loving God would threaten us in the sacred temple with gory threats of
violence. Slitting our throats, ripping out our tongue, slicing open our
bowels, and our breasts be torn open if we told anyone the secret words or
handshakes.
- Previously
in the temple ceremony before 1990- Found
here. And
here.
- That
we will have less freedom in heaven than we have on earth to be with the
ones we love.
- Family
in lesser degrees will not be able to come up to higher degrees
- That
God would want us to trust elusive feelings that contradict our clear
rational thinking, feelings that tell nearly all people to believe
different things as his truth.
- The
process of gaining a spiritual witness does not seem very effective,
efficient or consistent. Your entire life view, world view, your very
outlook on life, the afterlife, the creation of life, is based on your
spiritual confirmations from God about the teachings of your religion.
However, these same feelings, same spiritual promptings, same religious
manifestations are being "given" or experienced by billions of
people all over the world and being interpreted by them to gain a strong
testimony in their own religions. People have very strong testimonies of
their faith but it is entirely opposed to my faith. Both cannot be true;
but both people have the same feeling (burning in the bosom, wave of
peace and joy, a surety born by the spirit, answers to direct prayer,
etc.)
- That
God would erase all archaeological evidence of the one civilization that
preserved his truth.
- Covered
above, link again- publications.mi.byu.edu
- That
God would have his prophets teach for 100+ years the ancestry of the
American Indians to have it be proven false by DNA science.
- “As
I look into your faces, I think of Father Lehi, whose sons and daughters
you are. I think he must be shedding tears today, tears of love and
gratitude.... This is but the beginning of the work in Peru.” (Gordon B.
Hinckley, God’s Holy Work in Peru, Ensign, February 1997, p.73).
- “We
also bare testimony that the Indians of North and South America are a
remnant of the tribes of Israel; as is now made manifest by the discovery
and revelation of their ancient oracles and records.” (Proclamation of
the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
April 1845)
- “A
comparison of Native Americans, Siberians and Asians reveals that the
same mtDNA lineages in all groups share mutations in the control region
that are specific to the haplogroups. The simplest explanation is that
the control region mutations arose in Asia in the founding mtDNA lineages
and were carried to the New World by the ancestral Native Americans.” (Theodore
G. Schurr, Mitochondrial DNA and the Peopling of the New World, American
Scientist -The Scientific Research Society, May-June 2000)
- That a
loving God would leave his children alone without any guidance for 1800
years.
- Dark ages
- That
Jesus would kill all the men, women, and children of the Canaanites and
Amalekites, and every man woman and child in the cities of Zarahemla,
Moroni, Moronihah, Gilgal, Onihah, Mocum, Jeruselem, Gadiandi, Gadiomnah,
Jacob, Gimgimmno, Jacobugath, Laman, Josh, Gad, and Kishkumen.
- That
God would kill children if their parents didn't put blood on the doorway.
- That
God would curse a people and their children and grandchildren and
great-grandchildren and beyond with "dark skin" so that they
were "loathsome"
- That
God would create people (homosexuals) who should not have any romantic or
sexual fulfillment in life.
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